Thursday, September 25, 2008

When do you know if you are pregnant...?

Being born again is a strange mystery indeed. After the message on Sunday, I invited people to respond to the gospel and to repent of their sins, surrender their lives to Jesus and invite Him to dwell within them by His spirit. Two people responded. This week one of them ended up being escorted out of a local hospital after violently threatening a woman...the other attended a youth rally and spent the night in worship and prayer at the altar. The pregnancy of spirit isn't always so pronounced, dramatic or evident...maybe there has been conception and new life has started, but the evidence of that new life grows and grows until it is born. Sometimes we look on the outside and see nothing but inwardly something has taken root that will increase and take over. Having a fertile pulpit results in life taking hold, spreading, implanting, watering, stirring up, creating desire, awakening appetite, thawing frozen minds or hearts and shinning light in dark places. You just preach the Word of God and watch what happens...sometimes things are not always as they seem.

It reminded me of this quote from CS Lewis:

"The world does not consist of 100 per cent Christians and 100 per cent non-Christians. There are people (a great many of them) who are slowly ceasing to be Christians but who still call themselves by that name; some of them are clergymen. There are other people who are slowly becoming Christians though they do not yet call themselves so. There are people who do not accept the full Christian doctrine about Christ but who are so strongly attracted by Him that they are His in a much deeper sense than they themselves understand. There are people in other religions who are being led by God’s secret influence to concentrate on those parts of their religion which are in agreement with Christianity, and who thus belong to Christ without knowing it….Many of the good Pagans long before Christ’s birth many have been in this position. And always, of course, there are a great many people who are just confused in mind and have a lot of inconsistent beliefs all jumbled up together. Consequently, it is not much use trying to make judgments about Christians and non Christians in the mass. It is some use comparing cats and dogs, or even men and women, in the mass, because there one knows definitely which is which. Also, an animal does not turn (either slowly or suddenly) from a dog into a cat. But when we are comparing Christians in general with non-Christians in general, we are usually not thinking of real people whom we know at all, but only two vague ideas which we have got reading novels and newspapers. If you want to compare the bad Christian and the good Atheist, you must think about two real specimens whom you have actually met. Unless we come down to brass tacks in that way, we shall only be wasting time." -C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity, Chapter 10, “Nice People or New Men.”

10 comments:

Mel said...

This book by C.S. Lewis one of my all-time favorite books (so far). The whole time I was reading it my spirit was chiming in with "yes" and "amen." There were, however, several ideas expressed in the book that I whole-heartedly disagree with, and one of them is in this excerpt.

"There are people (a great many of them) who are slowly ceasing to be Christians, but who still call themselves by that name."

I was raised Baptist, and one of the doctrines they teach is the doctrine of eternal security. It was easy for me to believe it because my family believed it and everyone I knew who was a Christian believed it. But it wasn't a belief that God Himself had implanted in my heart, it was a belief that I had assumed because of the people around me.

When I got married, my husband convinced me that there was no such thing as eternal security, that it was indeed possible for people to lose their salvation, and I can't even describe the darkness that flooded my soul when I really embraced that notion. Where is the freedom to love and be loved in that thinking?

But I'm extremely glad I walked that road for a while, because when God Himself anchored the truth in my heart that our salvation does not depend on us, but on Him, and that salvation by grace can never be lost because if it could be, it wouldn't be salvation by grace, I was able to appreciate and value that profound truth so much more.

There are many mature, fruit-bearing Christians that believe it's possible to lose our salvation. In His soveriegnty, God has allowed people from both sides of the argument to continue believing as they believe, and I completely trust Him in that. But for me, I am so grateful that He has opened my eyes to see that He will love and accept me to the end, no matter what I do or don't do. My disobedient, wayward child is still my child, and always will be.

Unknown said...

Mel,
I understand where you are coming from, though I think the point of the post was more nuanced than that. For me it speaks of the challenge and grace of all of that being in God's hands. People's salvation is between them and God. If I try to step in and determine who is in and who is out...I can be wrong more than right. Not that I dont think there are fruits to look for...an apple tree bears apples. But in evangelism that process is often more slow than most people package it.

RickCapezza said...

It's the parable of the sower.

Unknown said...

I think the sows parable speaks to one side of the new birth experience but Lewis is highlighting another side. A side that forces us to wrestle with the two different paths toward Christ

-believe...behave...belong
Or. Belong..believe...behave.

I see the second more predominant these days.

Mel said...

Pastor Eric, beautifully said. I couldn't agree more. Thank God it's not our job to judge.

RickCapezza said...

Okay, yeah, I was reading the passage incorrectly. I was taking the first couple of lines setting the stage for his thoughts on apostasy. This is more about an inclusivist position.

I'm just so deep into my thesis, I'm seeing everything terms of baptism and baptismal regeneration. :-D

Anonymous said...

Hi Eric, interesting post. A lot of subtlties in the way we read things. Mel saw his statement about slowly ceasing to be a Christian as losing their salvation, but he really doesn't say that does he? maybe they are slowly ceasing fruit bearing. I thought the most interesting part of his thought was - "There are people in other religions who are being led by God's secret influence to concentrate on those parts of their religion which is in agreement with Christianity and who thus belong to Christ without knowing it.." In many Christian circles that is almost blasphemy if you take it to imply that Christ's blood may prevail to those who never heard of Him. What a concept, that God would make a way for those who never hear His name in this life to hear of His sacrifice after death, by way of secretly influencing their hearts with those truths contained in their religion that speak of His ways. Naaah, couldn't be.
Love Dad

Anonymous said...

I don't see C.S. Lewis speaking about whether or not Christians lose their salvation. I think it is more of a question of whether you are a Christian or not to begin with. I believe there are millions of people who claim to be a Christian that are not saved. Some of them may even have started off on the right foot, just like Lewis says, and took a wrong turn.

Salvation is often assumed by people who believe Jesus is the messiah. We say to make him savior and Lord. A big majority ignore the second part. Salvation isn't a handshake.

Mel said...

Okay, just so you all know... When I posted my first comment, I had missed the forest for the trees. I agree and am inspired by everything else in the post, as much as I was the first time I read it in the book. I've always known that God is reaching out to everyone and believe that there will be countless thousands of people in Heaven who have not heard or spoken the name of Christ on this earth. And that the inner workings of salvation are beautiful, mysterious, unfathamable, and unpredictable. I really love how everyone jumped in with the comments. This is blogging at its best. :)

Anonymous said...

Hi Mel,
I just wanted to make one follow-up comment to your last one. I didn't take it as though you missed anything, but rather that those particular statements he made regarding "ceasing to be" were the ones that struck you. They are important thoughts, fact is, just about everything he says centers around important themes. That particular thought went right by me and I focused on what I commented on because I think about that isssue quite a bit. Like you said, it is blogging at its best.
God Bless,
Fred.