Monday, December 20, 2004

Whirl-mart...


Oh so brilliant...go here to read. Posted by Hello

8 comments:

mat said...

I think it's so great that the world has people like this. It seriously warms my heart. I imagine them finding Merry Prankster/Gandiesque ways to stir the life back into America. It's at once funny and very real, what better way to wake up the drones of shop. I would hang out at Starbucks or Walmart just hoping to witness it go down.

FCB said...

Whew! I read most of Rev. Billy's site and it doesn't give me a good feeling. Seems like a poor way to make a point, licking all the surfaces in a Starbucks! Not good. Brings potential for violence with employees that haven't a clue of what these people are trying to do.
I agree with their points and hate to see our jobs shipped outside the US but I have never liked anarchy.
I would look for different ways to support the effort.
Dad

mat said...

We live in a world full of violences and not good feelings, some larger than others, some in Starbucks, some in a coffee field far away.

We need to be responsible for what happens because of what we do or buy, or sell. There are new laws for men who come to SE Asia that make it punishable by law in their home country for the crimes they commit on foreign soil. Meaning that if you come to Thailand to have sex with kids, when you get home you can be arrested for it. I think this is reasonable for a world where money is power and there is such a harsh difference of living conditions. The world is getting smaller, we are coming closer together, we rely on eachother more, and we need to care more about what we buy and about the guy or child on the other end of the stick.

There is a ceramic factory near us that is owned by a foreigner. Several people have died of cancer after working there for a number of years, and the owner has been paying off the familes in order to shut them up. One of our neighbor friends quit working there after her lymph glands swelled for weeks. In fact, Dad you met her at our neighbors house near the land. Well, anyway that guy apparently has terrible ventilation system and it's highly toxic enviroment with the paints and dyes and so forth, and his good are exported abroad. One of the problems here is that corruption keeps this guy able to keep going. The law here is not like the States. You can bribe problems away. But in the States if you found this kind of thing out there would be a stink. I think it takes a country with laws that protect it's people to also protect the foriegn workers who keep the shelves full of pretty things in the market... I don't want to buy anything with blood on it and I'm happy there are people willing to tell us about it, even when they may go to jail for it.

I think the good Reverend is towing the line, voiceing the voiceless, telling us his dream, asking us to look beyond, turning the tables over in the market...

Unknown said...

Turning the tables over in the market....wow that puts the blade on the ax doesn't it.
I would like to ponder that for a while. What would Jesus do...what does He think of all those products with China stamped on them? What does He think about me living in cheap luxury at the expense of the sweat and hunger of the poor? It starts to make me sick to my fat and bloated stomach. I am going to have a whole hell of a lot of explaning to do when I sit next to Amos, Micah and Job.

mat said...

I think it comes down to consumer rights: as consumers we deserve to be able to buy stuff that meets a standard of fair labour and market practices. We shouldn't have to worry that the goods we buy are made by children with hunger pains. And I think if you want cheap labour you need to still give them a decent living wage and work enviroment where they are working. Ignorance doesn't protect anyone. And I certainly don't think we should condemn anyone for letting us know what "they" won't tell us, especially if they are funny. Hopefully these practices will come as the world gets smaller and smaller and awareness becomes greater, and that's where the dear Reverend comes in.

This perhaps is similar to the idea behind Kosher foods. I'm not an expert on Kosher foods, but I believe part of the idea is that the practices of preparation meet a standard that let's the consumer know that the food is decent.

It's a matter of conviction of conscience. Are we willing to stand by and eat a big meal while the cooks are starving. The deal now is the cooks are thousands of miles away.

mat said...

I'm also not an expert on what Jesus would do (see my life for example), but I don't think he feels good about child labour.

FCB said...

It is hard to imagine anyone would disagree with most all that is said on this subject. I have no disagreement but I do have opinions on the methods used to educate the public. I am against unlawful demonstrations, whether its against abortions, gay rights, WTO demonstrations or whatever. The problems that I have seen where unlawful methods are used is situations escalate into violence. Usually some innocent bystander without a clue what's going on. Someones child working in a shop for their first employment.
So, my approach would be to look to the groups that are active in a cause that uses legal means. Become politicaly involved with others seeking the same goals.
Use picketing and demonstrations that are legal. Use video, photos etc. to tell the story. Support in prayer and finances associations that are making progress in the cause you like. Start a blog, tell a friend, vote, join, do all you feel led to do inside the law. That's all I'm saying. If every protester for every cause that they deem worthy takes to illegal tactics it would be chaos.
I will add, make sure the facts are accurate, it is humiliating to support a cause only later to find out the facts were in err.

mat said...

If Rosa Parks had done as you say we may not enjoy the level of civil rights we do in America.